Traditional Fiberglass VS Epoxy VS NexGen… So Which is Better?
One of the biggest questions I get is what’s the difference between epoxy, fiberglass, and this NexGen I’ve been hearing about?
In this post I’m gonna go through what the pros and cons to all them are so you can hopefully make a better educated decision.
Traditional Glass – 60+ Years old and still kicking
Your traditional fiberglass construction (also referred to as classic or PU or poly or glass) is the classic construction of the surf industry. It’s what boards have been made out of for the last 60+ years.
PU construction starts with a polyester foam blank and a wood (typically balsa) stringer. These boards are then traditionally shaped by hand then wrapped in fiberglass and polyurethane resin.
Pros-
- Cuts Through Chop – A poly blank is a fairly dense foam. This gives you a board that sits lower in the water and makes those rough and choppy days a little smoother as your board will cut through the chop well. This is a benefit not only when you’re paddling out because it will help you keep your momentum up but it will also be smoother on the water when riding.
- Responsive – Another benefit to the poly blank is the spring it provides. A poly board will feel more lively under foot more often than not. This can make your board more responsive and more performance driven.
- Better Graphics – Because the foam is more dense and the resin of a poly board is transparent your graphic choices on them will usually be greater. If you think about it, a dense foam will create a smoother surface on which to paint. And because the resin is transparent, you can do all sorts of inlays and laments that can have all kinds of cool effects on the graphic scheme.
Cons-
- Weight – A poly board will typically be heavier than other constructions. This is mainly because of the dense properties of polyester foam. Other than heavier just being annoying, it can also make your board tougher to handle in the water.
- Fragility – Polyurethane resin, although it flexes well and can make your board more responsive, it also makes your board a lot more prone to dings, dents, and breakage. This can cause frustration in many ways… cost of repair, cost of replacement because it can wear out faster, being without a board while it’s getting repaired, and can look used and beat up earlier in it’s life span.
- Sun Damage – We all know that sun can be hard on our skin if we’re exposed to it too much. Well, your surfboard is the same. Too much heat and UV will cause the materials in it to breakdown, making your board more fragile. It will also cause your board to turn a not so lovely shade of yellow.
- Environmentally Unfriendly – The materials that go into the foam and resin are VERY toxic VOC’s (Volatile Organic Compound). This can cause not only harm to the person doing the shaping and glassing, but is disastrous when the boards end up in a landfill. The materials take a LONG time to decompose and because they are more fragile, the chances of a poly board ending up in a landfill are greater.
Epoxy – Finally a good alternative to classic glass
Epoxy boards, although they may appear to be new to the surf industry, have been around for quite a while. It has only become mainstream recently as the foam/glass/resin combo has been perfected.
Epoxy boards will typically start with an Expanded Poly Styrene (EPS) foam blank with a PVC foam stringer. These boards are usually shaped by either a machine or by hand. (We choose to have all ours shaped by hand. It keeps people employed, and the art of surfboard shaping alive. Nothing quite like hand built if you know what I mean. ) The board is then wrapped in fiberglass and covered in epoxy resin.
Pros-
- Lighter – Your standard epoxy board can be much lighter than a poly board. This is nice not only when you’re carrying it to the beach, but can make moving the board around in the water more comfortable.
- Stronger – Epoxy boards will 10-15% stronger than poly boards. This is great when you tend to be harder on your gear. Whether you’re in the water, walking from the car, or putting it away at the house, there always seems to be objects that jump out there and smack your board. If not for the strength, you could be going to the repair shop a whole lot more.
- More Buoyant – EPS foam is a lot less dense. This makes the board sit higher in the water and float better than a poly board. The benefit here is that your paddling will be easier and in some cases (not all) you can surf a shorter surfboard and it will still float you great.
- Environmentally Friendly – The VOC’s of an epoxy surfboard are significantly less toxic. This is not only a health benefit to the one shaping and glassing, but also when they end up in a landfill. Another enviro-beny (I think I just made that up ) is that because the foam is less dense, the decomposing process is faster.
Cons-
- Stiffer – Because the board is made of a much stronger resin it can make the board stiff. This can be a positive or a negative depending on whether or not you’re used to surfing on a poly board. For some, a stiffer board can be less responsive, for others it will feel more lively. It just depends on what your used to. If you’re new to surfing you probably wont be able to tell the difference.
- Sun Damage – Epoxy has it’s own issues with the sun. The paint on an epoxy surfboard won’t fade because it’s the last layer to go down, but the inside materials of an epoxy board expand under extreme heat and UV. This can cause a problem when the board is left in direct sunlight for too long. Because most epoxy boards aren’t vented, the expansion caused will make the board bubble and de-laminate. You’re fine if you’re just going back and forth to the beach or if you’re in the water, but if you’re gonna hang out on the beach for a while with the fam or friends you will need to keep it covered up. A simple board bag will save you a lot of heart ache… get one if you own an epoxy.
- Bouncy – Because the surfboard floats higher in the water, when the waves get choppy, it can feel like your board is bouncing off the chop. This is more annoying than anything else but it can also reduce momentum down the line.
NexGenTM – A perfect combination of both poly and epoxy
NexGen is an exclusive here at Degree33 that we are pretty proud of. It has the benefits of poly and epoxy without most the drawbacks. It really is the Next Generation in epoxy construction.
NexGen starts like most epoxy surfboards with an EPS foam core. However, with our shorter boards (typically under 7′6″), you will notice that they’re stringerless. This keeps the weight down and is unnecessary on the shorter stuff due to the strength of the resin. On the longer boards, they will have a wood stringer like the poly boards do.
The other main difference is with the glass and resin. The resin is an epoxy resin but its strength to flexibility properties are drastically improved. This allows us to use much less fiberglass than other epoxies (see the benefit below).
Pros-
- All the benefits of an epoxy plus…
- Super Light – Like I mentioned above, because of the resin we can use much less fiberglass than other epoxies (less than half). This allows the NexGen boards to be as much as 20% lighter than standard epoxies, which are already lighter than poly boards. This light weight is what attracts most people to NexGen.
- Superior Flex – One of the drawbacks to most epoxies is that they are stiff. This is the main reason why some seasoned surfers won’t surf them. However, with NexGen the flex characteristics are in line with a poly board. This will give you increased response off the bottom and more snap off the top. The flex is so pure, that NexGen is what all my personal surfboards are made out of. The flex benefit is due to the advanced resins we use on the NexGen models.
- More Maneuverable – Because of the reduced weight and increase in flex, the maneuverability of the NexGen is greatly increased.
- Better styling – Epoxy surfboards can sometimes look plastic, but with NexGen, the resin is transparent like the poly’s. This gives the board a more natural look and makes it look more like a traditional surfboard.
Cons-
- Too Light – Really there are only a couple of drawbacks to NexGen. Some people think they are too light. This can make your board feel too bouncy. I’m not sure I understand or agree with this one but I have heard it… once.
- Sun Damage – This is a con to all surfboards. The same applies here as it does with epoxies but also poly. The resin is transparent so the foam can yellow.
- Cost – Cost is really the only issue here. On average a NexGen board will be $40 – $60 more than an standard epoxy. But in my opinion the cost is SOOOO worth the increase benefits.
Conclusion-
Here’s the bottom line, it ultimately comes down to your personal preference. I personally think NexGen is so far superior that there is no reason anybody would buy anything else, but I also know that I am probably bias. As you have seen all constructions have their pros and cons. Really it’s just your call. (but I recommend the NexGen )
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OK, so why do you offer your Longboards in Epoxy only, and not NexGen?!
@ March 3rd, 2010 at 17:46I absolutely wish I could carry every board in every construction but I have to do it incrementally. Right now in my warehouse I have NexGen in everything under 7′ except the lily pad. They will be added to the site by next week. We went with under 7′ first because that’s what everybody wanted first. I would love to carry longer stuff in NexGen too but it’s gonna take more guys like you that are wanting it. It’s worth it. My longboard is NexGen (well I guess all my personal boards are). I just did 2 custom Ulitmate longboards last month that were both NexGen. Turned out great.
@ March 4th, 2010 at 16:00Hmm… I was getting close to ordering one of the 10′ ultimates in epoxy but now I might wait it out till you do have them in nex gen. Glad I got ur email.
@ March 5th, 2010 at 16:20Hi Luc – I have to agree with Mr. Tom. You have me convinced on the Nex Gen and if you had it in a longboard might order it right up! Is this something that only you manufacture? I am a new surfer looking for first board, and have been on longboard only. Will the nex gen have the stability of a big ole long board? Your site is really great, even the videos. I wish you much success!
@ March 5th, 2010 at 18:46Well if there’s enough demand I will carry them. In the mean time let’s get you guys NexGen longboards going. Let us know and we can start on them.
@ March 6th, 2010 at 11:24Dang Luc, I recently bought the epoxy 7′ hybrid. I wish I would have held out for the NexGen. I definately would have paid $50 more. I like the new designs though.
@ March 6th, 2010 at 19:54Longboard, +1
@ March 8th, 2010 at 07:41Longboard +2…..
Nex Gen seems to be the best bet from what you are stating. Since there are differences in repairing poly/epoxy. What would the repair be for a nex-gen look like?
@ March 11th, 2010 at 04:32If there is a ding, how is NexGen repaired? Also, is it more environmentally friendly the epoxy?
@ March 11th, 2010 at 06:43I am going to buy a nexgen fish board as soon as i get enought money!!…can’t wait
@ March 11th, 2010 at 12:36NexGen is still an epoxy construction so it will need to be repaired in a similar manner. If it’s a small ding you can fix it with epoxy solarez. If it’s a big repair then take it to your local shop that repairs epoxy. As long as they use a high quality epoxy resin to repair it you should be just fine.
@ March 11th, 2010 at 15:03hi
this is a great website.
i read the emails u send and use ur website alot
Hannah
@ March 11th, 2010 at 17:12Morning Luc,
@ March 12th, 2010 at 05:24Glad to see that the NexGen is getting such a great response. I have been Long Boarding since 1963. Last year I picked up a Flexlite which I believe is a next generation material and I must say that it has spoiled me from paddling to turning to nose riding it incredible, lite as a feather and it is a 9′2″.
ok luc,sounds good,a little reading and i learned a lot,and i will have to say the nex gen sounds like the way to go,since most of my dings happen to and from the water,not while i am surfing,besides,who wants to paddle more,iwant to catch more waves!
@ March 14th, 2010 at 13:02NexGen Longboards add 2 more please.
@ March 15th, 2010 at 05:49Thanks this was what I needed. Last week unded the Golden Gate I lost 2 fin and put several perssure dents in me and my board. Was wondering wether to use fiber glass resen or epoxy.
@ March 15th, 2010 at 07:28also where do you buy it in the bay area without paying the hi cost of shipping.
The resin you will need to fix your board will depend on what construction your board is. If you have a poly board then use a polyurethane resin and so forth.
As far as where to buy it… I’m not sure. Check with your local repair shops and see if you can buy some off of them or if they can point you in the right direction.
@ March 15th, 2010 at 11:55I have been riding both epoxy and fiberglass boards for the past 3 yrs. I have never tried a nexgen shape but feel it might be worth a try. There has not been an epoxy that I have ever ridden that impressed me. They are always to light and I can never get a rail dug in unless it is milk glass. So unless you could change my mind, I don’t think nexgen would be any different.
@ March 24th, 2010 at 12:54Thanks,
Cj
It sounds like the best of both worlds!! Keep up the innovation!! Thanks for sharing the stoke!!Peace,Dennis aka DenRA Proffitt
@ March 25th, 2010 at 09:13Hi Luc, For the longest time, I was sold on epoxy boards for the ding resistance and a little less weight, specially with longboards, until I read your info on this next Gen. Next Gen seems to encompass more benefits so this has me leaning toward this type of construction.
@ March 26th, 2010 at 11:09Pray for sex, we can surf anytime…NOT!!!!!!!!!
Carlos (the rabbitt) Planas
I wondered why most of the boards up here in the Pacific northwest are now transported in board bags. Now I know, it’s the composition and having to travel so far from Seattle to the coast, it’s a definite plus.
@ March 27th, 2010 at 05:59Well I gotta share that after using the 6′0 Retro in epoxy vs the 6′2 and 6′4 pivot fish in NexGen that I just received out here, there is a definitte difference in the weight and response of the NexGen. Well Done! My next Ultimate will be NexGen for sure maybe by mid summer…I am in the process of totally revamping my quiver one board at a time.
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@ March 28th, 2010 at 12:02Thanks for the great feedback Wes….we have several other customers just like you who are now revamping their quivers too! NexGen is where its at!
@ March 30th, 2010 at 17:39i am very interested in the nexgen.my husband and i have several boards, but my fav is a 7′ 3fin superior board. i think its epoxy but not sure. for me its a longboard cause im short, and i have ridden short boards. i prefer the longer ones, my kids can ride with me. anything that makes them better i am all for.
@ April 2nd, 2010 at 06:19I am posting another vote for NexGen longboards.
@ April 3rd, 2010 at 13:30Have you considered using XPS foam on any Next Gen Sup’s?
@ April 10th, 2010 at 12:30I was going to purchase one of your epoxy boards, but if you think the NexGen longboard will be out soon…well maybe I’ll wait! Plus my friends in Oceanside are hoping you start making them as well.
@ April 12th, 2010 at 12:20Daniel- Yes we have looked in to and done some testing, and any XPS/extruded polystyrene had problems with de-laminating. There was an issue with the resins adhering to the blank so we discontinued it.
Tony/anyone else interested- we have a hand full of longboards coming in Nexgen that will arrive end of June. If you want one of them, give us a ring and we can reserve one.
@ April 15th, 2010 at 13:46+1 For long board. I would like a nine six ultimate. Can I reserve this?
@ May 3rd, 2010 at 15:11Of course you can reserve one. Give us a ring at the warehouse and we can hook this up for you.
@ May 5th, 2010 at 12:37Do you have different boards for different wave conditions? Like beach break or point break? Does it make a difference? The surf up here on the Strait of Juan de Fuca is different from the Pacific coast in WA, but is it that much different from say San Diego, Baja, or Costa Rica? Thanx, jp
@ May 10th, 2010 at 15:19Well I’m not familiar with the surf that far north but the simple answer to your question is yes. Different boards will perform differently in the different wave types… hollow, mushy, etc.
For mushy waves you can usually get away with a wider and thicker board that will give you an edge in paddling and float. It all depends on the type of wave you usually surf, what you have in your quiver, and what “hole” you’re trying to fill.
If you want specific info give us a call here and we’ll talk you through it.
@ May 11th, 2010 at 13:31Excellent article! Every detail I would ask and want to know. For me it sums up to “Moce is better” atleast in this case. LOVE this page.
@ June 28th, 2010 at 03:11I vote for a longboard version as well…however, I would like to get a fish as well.
@ June 29th, 2010 at 14:59You got my attention and vote for NexGen. 9′0 please
@ June 29th, 2010 at 19:00I just have one ? why is there no longboard in your new NexGen?
@ June 30th, 2010 at 09:06It’s hard for me to get away from the old poly style boards. I haven’t had much luck with the epoxy boards I’ve tried, though I haven’t tried one of yours, but I’m interested in trying the next gen finish for sure. How does it hold up against pressure dings?
@ June 30th, 2010 at 12:43Aaron,
NexGen boards will pressure dent more than a standard epoxy but less than a poly board. The resin is softer (which is why it has better flex) but it is super elastic so it retains its epoxy strength.
-Luc
@ June 30th, 2010 at 13:38I’ve always liked epoxy for its durability and weight, but I’m curious to ride a nex gen.
@ July 1st, 2010 at 08:17Wish I had some extra money cuz I sure would buy a Next Gen Board.
@ July 1st, 2010 at 09:20Thanks for the info-have been considering your boards for awhile and this article helped. Do you do custom nexgen 8′6″ boards with the ultimate configuration for the steeper, colder, faster waves up here in Norcal
@ July 1st, 2010 at 12:20I enjoy reading and learning. Please keep sharing with us. Thank you
@ July 2nd, 2010 at 02:30NextGen sounds pretty cool, I have an amazing fish right now, traditionally made, but a next Gen may indeed be something worth trying. Thanks for the heads up!
@ July 2nd, 2010 at 04:33I stick with glass for a lot of reasons, but the main reason is cost! Not only in buying and making of new boards but also for repair!
In all reality “Who cares man! Just SURF!”
@ July 2nd, 2010 at 07:06still like old school surfboards (fiberglass)in fla, been surfin since late 60s had lots of boards,where else can you shape,glass,sand,finish and than surf the next morning,I thinf only fiberglass. e
@ July 2nd, 2010 at 07:07New Gen sounds good to me, but I’d need to ride it to know for sure
@ July 2nd, 2010 at 23:06Have been surfing 40 years. I have believed that glass was the best because everything else was too corky. But I really want to win your contest becaues I want one of your 10 ft longboards in your new material because it will float better and keep me in the water longer. Please choose me!!
Michael SMith
@ July 3rd, 2010 at 08:18Pismo Beach, CA
not sure on this one…need to do more research…i’ll tell u one thing…i don’t like bouncing off chop…however with a mini-longboard there may be minimal difference…that will be my next board…or a fun shape
@ July 3rd, 2010 at 16:05I also want a 9′0″ Nex Gen-When would one be ready to order? Thank you, Gary
@ July 3rd, 2010 at 23:37I’m another one waiting for a NexGen LONGBOARD 9′!
@ July 4th, 2010 at 05:59Maybe I could even win one;-)
BTW Nice write ups!
Everyone have a safe and happy 4th!
MJC
This has been very informative and helpful Luc. Thanks for the info and I am sure to take this into account when I am deciding on my next board. I am something of an old-school guy when it comes to glass…but might have to become more diverse and evolve with the newer materials that are out there. But I will miss the old sweet smell of glass being sprayed on some freshly shaped foam LOL
@ July 5th, 2010 at 05:06This is relatively new to me so reading your information was informative. Lots to consider before a purchase. Thanks for providing this.
@ July 6th, 2010 at 03:40Hey Luc
@ July 6th, 2010 at 05:23Thank you for taking the time to actually expalin and discuss the different types of construction and board materials on your site instead of just only listing your models prices and sizes. I was wondering if you had any thoughts on building boards using high modulous carbon fiber and what would be the pro’s and cons of a board that is constructed of carbon fiber material ?
@ LUC…..THANKS…..I HAD A DUKE AND THE REST OF THE NAME I AM GOING TO MAKE A STAB AT IT DUKE KA-HANA-MOKA,,,,,I KNOW THAT IS NOT RIGHT BUT I HAD ONE AND GAVE THE DAMN THING AWAY…..NOW IT’S WORTH 3 TO 5 THOUSAND DOLLARS………HIND SITE IS 20/20 THANKS FOR THE INFO
@ July 6th, 2010 at 13:12I enjoyed the education. I have found an epoxy long board is the best alternative for those of us getting a bit older…. the buoyancy helps with the choppy days– I don’t feel like I am fighting so hard and I don’t tire as quickly…
@ July 7th, 2010 at 03:52Thanks for the info. Very educational especially since I’m just starting back up where I left off——in 1970 catching a few off the beaches of Hawaii. Got sidetract by life in general. It was a long board then. I know it will be the same now but after your artical, I’m convinced NexGen would be the way to go. So add one more to your list GOTA HAVE IT. Thanks for the updates.
@ July 8th, 2010 at 07:01WOW! Great article – the ultimate FAQ guide! I cannot wait until you manufacture a New Gen longboard in 10′2″ (my current epoxy longboard is used for both surfing and paddleboarding).
(I can wish, can’t I?)
@ July 8th, 2010 at 11:41There’s somthing beautiful about the classics, I do like epoxy though & I haven’t tried the Next Gen?
@ July 8th, 2010 at 12:10I had an EPS board that was clearly C.N.C. machined and although it was a great template (C.I. Flyer) I hated it. Way too stiff. Three sessions and still no “connection” to the board. It was like it had no soul. I know, that sounds kooky, rite? True tho. I sold it to a buddy and he shreds on it so go figure. All of my other 4 boards are poly and I have a special bond with each. All were hand shaped by great shapers and the love and care they put into the construction transfers to the owner. I have been trying to reduce my carbon footprint tho, so I would be willing to try a nextgen. More important to me is that any board that gets a spot in my quiver be hand-shaped. This helps keep the art of shaping alive. We don’t need cheap pop-outs from Asia skewing the market. It’s just not in line with the organic nature that has historically defined surf culture and the surfers lifestyle. Thanks for the post and keep up the good work!
James
@ July 10th, 2010 at 09:06Informative. Thanks. For me, any type is great.I paddled out a week ago, after no surfing for 12 years! Choppy and crossed up @ Port Aransas, Tx. Fun, but I’m still recovering.
@ July 10th, 2010 at 12:26Being a somewhat novice rider I haven’t tried all the types of boards. However, this article is a great way to check out the pro’s and con’s of all the boards out there and gave me some good ideas of what kind of board to get. Epoxy has my vote for right now because I like the sound of it not being to light.
@ July 11th, 2010 at 13:35Hey I think as long as the board is made to what I have asked it doesn’t matter what it’s made of to me, all preform in great ways- just have to have the specks that fit to your surfing.
@ July 11th, 2010 at 14:31Sounds good send me a 9′6 demo and let me test ride
@ July 11th, 2010 at 18:38Are you an exclusive Nex-Gen wholesaler ???Where on Hawaii can I try one before I decide to Buy ???
@ July 11th, 2010 at 20:14i’ve been riding glass boards for awhile, I love the feel of them. But after a year or two of hard riding, fixing dings,pressure bumps from my heels, and discoloration. They end up in the rafters of my garage, before they get to bad. That way, one day my kids will be able to ride them. So its back to the used racks looking for another decent board to ride for a few years. It’s not so bad lot’s of choices to choose from, I get to ride a lot of different styles, and these boards get a second chance. Surfboards belong in the water. And when I don’t find anything, I can always pull one down from the rafters and take it to the ocean. And you know what?… The board handles great. It’s like telling me thanks, for giving it a second chance .Take care of your boards and they will take care of you. Aloha & mahalo from a Nor Cal Surfer
@ July 12th, 2010 at 08:26Al,
We are it bud. If you want to try one out you’ll have to get it from us. Cheers!
@ July 12th, 2010 at 12:34Aloha!
Thanks for your very insightful emails. Living in Hawaii is very expensive which is why I am double-crossing my fingers to win a mini-long board. Until reading your articles I had no idea what I really wanted. It’s been years since I surfed due to career and back injury. I am on the mend and so wanting to get back into it. I don’t mean to be selfish but……..I really really want to win!
Warmest Aloha!
@ July 12th, 2010 at 13:04this nex-gen sounds good, i would like to try it. i am a little apprehensive though about the lack of weight. as a rider of long boards, i have been riding for about twenty years now. my first long board was a 1952 seal harbor. i have learned to use this weight to my advantage. both to punch through the inside or give that little extra push as you slide into the face of a triple over head. i live and ride in the north where we have cold heavy water. it would be nice to have the extra strength in nov when we can get 12 to 25 foot surf.
@ July 13th, 2010 at 05:58john
Hey so this was a really interesting page. I’m not that familiar with surfboards but I’ve been surfing a few times and LOVED it. My friend gave me her surfboard so I want to get into it: it’s an Ohana Kemp, about 8′ to 8′ 1/2″ feet. What kind of surfboard is that? Not sure. I dunno if you can tell me just by that description.
@ July 13th, 2010 at 17:24Based on your reviews will give a try to NEXGEN as of now !!!
@ July 24th, 2010 at 18:52What it all comes down to then is personal preference. Some people are loyal to one or the other. There is no one construction fits all in surfboards. I myself would rather like the Nexgen, with it being lighter and me “not so light”
it would be better.
@ July 25th, 2010 at 00:32Hey, I read your article..very informative! I’d LOVE to have a NexGen Longboard, BUUUUTTT…you don’t carry that…(yet.:D) So I’ll definitely choose Epoxy. Thanks for keeping us informed! Looking forward for more blogs!!
@ July 25th, 2010 at 07:11great info….. will be making better choices with this info,
@ July 25th, 2010 at 09:08nothing like the ol’ classic glass board, great write up.
@ July 25th, 2010 at 11:42Great info! Can’t wait to own my first board. U guys are awesome, keep it up!
@ July 25th, 2010 at 11:47Luc, thanks for the blog, very informative. BTW, you misspelled biased, but who cares.
I have been surfing past 10 years, year round, on PUs. I bought one Epoxy shortboard 3 years ago mainly for travel because I got sick and tired of finding my boards destroyed upon arrival no matter how paddedy bag was. However, Epoxy sucks, it’s so dead, it has no soul and gives no glide.I think I hate my Epoxy.
NexGen sounds too good to be true. But, I will have to try. My questions are:
@ July 25th, 2010 at 14:431. Where are you located and do you let people test run your nexgen boards?
2. My favorite board in the world is a 5′9 fish PU, insane light, only drawback is paddle out in east coast short period swell is nothing but steady beatings. You say the nexgen is lighter than PU. However, I don’t want anything lighter than my current 5′9. Do you make thick 5′9s in order to get more weight? If not, do you take custom orders?
well man if I win the free board I might get a next gen but I’ve been surfing for almost 14 years and I still love my old poly’s, my appeal is that in 14 years I’ve gotten pretty aggressive (rough) with my boards, any chance you can figure out how to make a board that rides just like a poly but stronger
bottom line, I’m kinda freaked at the idea of spending $600 on something I’ve never tested.
@ July 25th, 2010 at 22:40Thanks for the info. It was very informative and well written. Over the years I’ve only owned glass boards, but the nexgen stuff sounds very interesting. My current mini tank is a 9′3″ Mike Maag that rides great, but it’s really worn out. Hurry up and offer the nexgen for longboards!
@ July 26th, 2010 at 04:23Thanks for the info. It was very informative and well written. Over the years I’ve only owned glass boards, but the nexgen stuff sounds very interesting. My current mini tank is a 9′3″ Mike Maag that rides great, but it’s really worn out. Hurry up and offer the nexgen for longboards! I’m wondering how it would handle at White Plains on Oahu…
@ July 26th, 2010 at 04:25i still think that the traditional glass is better. but i have not tried the nexgen stuff so wouldn’t know about that. epoxy is too hard to maneuver.
@ July 26th, 2010 at 05:18Luc – thanks for the info, I never knew all these differences before. I’m very interested in the NexGen materials!!!
@ July 26th, 2010 at 06:17Thanks for the class. I have also done my research and tend to be a glass mean..except if your talking SUP’s then epoxy is the only availability and more durabke for the task
@ July 26th, 2010 at 06:30Necessity being the Mother of invention, I’m gonna add Nex-Gen to my quiver. Although the basics of classic design are still flowing strong through shaping. Technology is still pushing the limits of surfing forward, and it shows in todays riders. SURFING, YA GOTTA LOVE IT!!
@ July 26th, 2010 at 07:44nex-gen sounds likes the way to go! Lik others, I hope to get a longboard! On the west coast of Fla I think its the only way to go!!
@ July 26th, 2010 at 08:00Epoxy is better for these reasons:
Lighter – Your standard epoxy board can be much lighter than a poly
Stronger – Epoxy boards will 10-15% stronger than poly boards.
Environmentally Friendly – Epoxy surfboard are significantly less toxic
Traditional Glass:
Cuts Through Chop – A poly blank is a fairly dense foam. This gives smoother on the water when riding.
Responsive – Another benefit to the poly blank is the spring it provides. This can make your board more responsive and more performance driven.
Better Graphics – Because the foam is more dense and the resin of a poly board is transparent
Just my 02
@ July 26th, 2010 at 09:19Xavier,
We can make a fish to your specific requirements. Just give us a ring at the warehouse and we can talk through the details. As far as rentals/demos, we don’t have the ability to those right now, but that’s why we offer our 30 day “ride it” guarantee.
@ July 26th, 2010 at 11:11What kind of designs/graphics do you have . I plan on getting another board for Christmas !!!
@ July 26th, 2010 at 18:26Thanks for the info i think i will stick with the classic.
@ July 27th, 2010 at 05:15Looks too good to be true….we’ll see
@ July 28th, 2010 at 06:11I’ll take one of each if it ships free to FL.
@ July 28th, 2010 at 06:37I just bought a 7′6″ epoxy (not one of yours) to add to my quiver and so far, I hate it. It surfs like a slug – can’t turn it at all – not responsive. It’s like I am starting over with over 20 years behind me. However, I’ve yet to hit it on a solid swell. My son on the other hand loves it. I will keep you in mind when I decide to order a 7′2″ cause I am now leaning towards NexGen.
Keep up the good work, Luc.
Michael
@ July 28th, 2010 at 09:20Jax Fl.
I have only ever had poly boards so I dont know how I feel about anything else. I would love to try but money is always an issue. I have my first board I bought when I was 15 still. I have it touched up every few years and it keeps going strong. I have bought several other poly boards but my 6′1″ 1960’s era Rainbow Rider is the best. I bought it in the 80’s. One of these days I want to get a 7′0 – 7′6″ version of it made. A NexGen sounds like the way to go.
@ July 28th, 2010 at 16:41OK two thumbs up will be in the market for new board soon
@ July 29th, 2010 at 06:13MR. LUC,YOU EXPLAINED THE DIFFERENCE IN FLOATATION BETWEEN THE TRADITIONAL AND EPOXY BUT HOW ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EPOXY AND NEXGEN. I WAS AN AVID SURFER IN MY EARLIER DAYS . BUT SINCE IVE MOVED FROM SAN CLEM. AND ONLY GET OUT A FEW TIMES A YEAR AND HAVE PUT ON SOME POUNDS. SO IM LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT I CAN GO OUT AND CATCH SOME WAVES AND HAVE GOOD TIME WITH LESS EFFORT. I”M NOT GOING TO BE COMPETING ANY TIME SOON.
@ July 29th, 2010 at 09:55Dallas,
The float between the standard EPS and the NexGen is going to be about the same. They have the same foam core which is where the majority of your buoyancy comes from.
@ July 29th, 2010 at 15:25hello, i tried a some epoxy board from 7′10 malibu to 6′6” shortboard. Now i have a epoxy 6′6” shortboard and a poly 6′8” funboard. Well epoxy board are heavy and is uncomfortable to move arround, but to begin(or crowded places lol),is perfect because resistance, floats a lot its easy to stand but difficult to go outside, better for heavy surfers.
@ July 30th, 2010 at 05:52Poly its faster, moves better, easy to move arround, need a lot of care to not damage. So..to beginners epoxy, or if is a small board like 6′6” ou 6′0” i think its ok.
I have two longboards from the late 1990’s. I assume they were made from the now defunct Clark foam blanks. Is that the traditional glass you mention in your blog? I have a Tanaka shaped 9′ longboard with triple stringers and a center box with twin thrusters. I love it but it is showing signs of wear (bought it new in ‘97). If I took detailed photos could you use those and make a custom board out of NexGen? Something a little more durable? I live in Houston so I don’t get to surf as often as I did when I was stationed in Hawaii. Conditions in the gulf are just wind chop, if you’re lucky. I miss surfing.
@ July 30th, 2010 at 12:20i have only ridden a fiberglass board and not had the pleasure of trying out any different boards yet. I am hoping to purchase a new board if i can get the money together this will def help me on my decision for my next board though i have been shopping for a while and it feels like im only getting further from that new board
@ July 31st, 2010 at 13:53Never used NexGen, EPOXY all the way. I would like to try the newist edition.
@ July 31st, 2010 at 19:32This was a very good blog. I liked how you broke everything down. Starting off with the type of boards and then the pros and cons of each. It was very well written.
@ August 1st, 2010 at 07:36I would agree that when you come out with the next gen long boards I think that will make a big difference in surfing for everyone.
@ August 1st, 2010 at 08:10I know there are many surfers who choose short boards but the older generation and some younger ones still love the long boards. I personally like my 8.5 board and it works great for me.
I’m 57 years old and still surf in Hawaii when I go to visit family.
When I was 16 years old I took 3rd place in a Maui competition and could surf very well so I know the tricks we do on our surfboards and know my boards each one off us needs to be comfortable with what we ride. Aloha! Clyde
Surfing off Oregon coast…Crazy waves..any suggestions
@ August 1st, 2010 at 08:54Nexgen sounds good, but what is its construction? I’m a shaper/glasser for myself and i got a little curious when i heard nexgen and epoxy being thrown around. if i am reading this right, nexgen boards are made from eps, fiberglass, and epoxy resin. are the epoxies you are referring to are the tuflite type that has the blank glassed then wrapped with divinycell and then glassed again.
since i shape/glass epoxy too i was wondering if any of your boards use closed cell eps, the water resistant kind. i made a longboard with poly-like flex and the ding resistance and lightness of an epoxy. it also hasn’t yellowed in the hot hawaiian sun.
i would really like to know what makes nexgen, nexgen.
@ August 1st, 2010 at 22:52Eric,
We can do custom renditions of our shapes. Right now we don’t do all out customs. If there is one of our boards that you like and you want to do something a little different with it then we can do that. Cheers.
@ August 2nd, 2010 at 15:26Ryan,
I know there is a few people out there that would like to know exactly what we are doing with NexGen. As you can imagine some of that info is proprietary. But the construction differences between our standard epoxies and our NexGen is-
- Both use an open celled EPS blank (Yes we did try using closed cell, and when we did it on a large scale, we had problems with delams. The closed cells didn’t provide a porous enough surface to adhere to… it surprises me that people even use closed cell foam. Must not be making enough boards to really see the impact with a bunch of them.)
- We use different glass on the boards. Different weights and different qualities.
- The main difference is in the resin. The epoxy resin we use for the NexGen is our secret sauce.
Cheers.
@ August 2nd, 2010 at 15:35Well, Im curious how it will handle in the unpredictable northwest. Its sloppy and choppy alot up here from the random direction winds. Also, is there any difference in bouyancy for the bigger guys???
@ August 2nd, 2010 at 16:53The last board that I had made was a FRY Model A noserider 9′6″ (Pasadena, Texas) 2005 and it was an epoxy board – I like the light weight and the ride. I would not be opposed to trying a NexGen in the future – Great article – Bill
@ August 3rd, 2010 at 08:40Right now all i’ve ever tried was a fiberglass board. I am fairly new at surfing, and have tried both a fish and a longboard, with the fish I just ate it over and over again, haha (due to my lack of skills) but the longboard I was able to ride the wave for quite awhile, just straight towards the beach, still have yet to learn how to turn. But I met a fellow surfer who offered to let me try their epoxy board, it felt much more durable. I get nervous every now and then when I get slammed by a wave, hoping to pop up and not find the board broken in two. Trying this persons board I didn’t have that fear at all. I am curious to see what a combination of the two would be like. I will have to save up and try one of your boards. I bought a soft top shortboard for my first board, with no knowledge of what I was doing, and lost about $400. I resold it on ebay, but got slammed with shipping. So I’m still in the market for a new board, the right board, and your company seems to be perfect! I’ll start with a longboard for sure, as i’ve had the most luck on them. Thanks for all the info and emails! I appreciate it, glad to see a company that actually cares about the customer! Hope all is well.
@ August 3rd, 2010 at 21:49NexGeneration (Go for it! Check it out!)
Basically, if your like me and have to pay for your boards! your obviously going to want something that will last and also is durable! No matter what level of surfing your on! Right? Yes. Ok good me too! You should Go for the NexGen material (Degree33)boards! Im not telling you what to do, but i bet you will be satisfied! This NexGen material there talking about is awsome!
Nobody wants dings or pressure marks on there boards, Its a bummer! almost like putting a dent in your own car! I dont know everything, and Im not a surfboard material genius! but im not stupid either!Ha. I have ridin a few boards my time, so I do know what I want! An after trying out some of my friends boards that were made from materials that were similar, actually pretty much the same as the NexGen material(Degree33) type boards, I felt I could relate to the NexGen type material.
It was NICE!! finally! i got to use a board that had some good smooth durablility to it! And now knowing that the NexGen stuff is even better!! Wooh Ya!! This means that the NexGen will produce an even more durable better riding longer lasting board!! Sweet! I know!
So thats why I signed up for there free surfboard give away! I wish I had the money right now! but you never know!
You all should sign up! you might as well try! whats it gona hurt? all its gona do is promote the company!
Do It!!!
@ August 4th, 2010 at 00:28Being a Northeast sufer I would really like to see the NexGen as a longboard. How come there has been one made up?
@ August 4th, 2010 at 05:14Great site with a lot of great content.My next board will definetely be a NexGen!
@ August 4th, 2010 at 18:20Good article, I like the comparisons.
@ August 4th, 2010 at 18:49I recently purchased a 7′6″ epoxy mini long, and i find the epoxy to be durable-especially since my 2 kids (7 and 5) are trying to learn. The only draw back to epoxy is- it weighs more and it’s very ridgid (no flexibility). The NexGen sounds like a fine board, if I ever get around to buying another board , I’d definitley try one. Thnx for the good info.
@ August 6th, 2010 at 06:56I’m a traditionalist. Learn to ride on an old wood board long board in 1972. Would love to find another.
@ August 6th, 2010 at 08:57Sounds like nexGen. Especially with all the stuff that went down in the Foam industry.
I would always choose the board that will last. Great blog
Mike
@ August 6th, 2010 at 13:21will it float my top heavy body? that is my question regaurding the new foam, sounds like the new glass is the way to go. can’t wait to find out about both.
@ August 6th, 2010 at 14:59I like the information in the article. However, I find it hard to believe you sent this to me at 3AM est. Are you a bot Luc?
If you are…then riddle me this LucMan….if you have 4 men in a boat with 4 cigars…and no matches….how do they smoke?
Answer: Who cares….surf is up in NJ
@ August 7th, 2010 at 03:54Thanks for the clarification guys/gals. Ive already read this information n your website however its good to be reminded what goes into making your boards!
@ August 7th, 2010 at 04:20Been surf’n 31 years, my recommendation is have one of each, the surf will let you know which is right.
@ August 7th, 2010 at 15:12Nothing wrong with swapping boards when conditions change.
Save yer money, build a quiver
This is really helpful. NexGen all the way!
@ August 9th, 2010 at 08:59being a person that has not Surfed alot but does enjoy i have used the fiberglass and epoxy boards before, and i really enjoyed the rides of both of them, but the nextgen sounds and looks really cool and it sounds like it is Environmentally Friendly and thats a plus. i look forward in rideing on one of these borads.
@ August 9th, 2010 at 11:28Jon (and everyone else who keeps axing
),
We have NexGen longboards arriving this week. YES! Give us a ring and reserve one. We will only have a few of each to start out with. So hurry if you want one!
Justin,
I don’t know who you are but thanks for helping me talk everyone in to it. Cheers.
Dirk,
It sure should. If you want specifics give us a ring at the warehouse and we’ll get your questions answered.
Blink… I’m really here. No bot!
@ August 9th, 2010 at 17:39Hey thanks for the info. Enjoy reading.
@ August 11th, 2010 at 06:25the nexgen seems really ideal but for feel it seems lik glass is just right
@ August 12th, 2010 at 06:00Definitely NEXGEN. I tried using an epoxy the other day….don’t plan on doing that again…
@ August 12th, 2010 at 06:59Looking to invest in new longboard for east coast doldrums…would try nextgen.
@ August 13th, 2010 at 04:44Ps. Great info and blog. Very much appreciate your time and effort.
@ August 13th, 2010 at 04:48Thanks for offering an alternative to the 3 phase epoxy “junk” boards that Global Surf Industries sells. Hopefully NexGen will live up to it’s name unlike the WALDEN 3 phase epoxy that buckled in less than a year of having it. It’s hard to know who to trust when buying a new board…..and I appreciate you posting the pros and cons of all the different types of board materials. As soon as I recover from spending $800 on a board that didn’t make it a year after only riding it a couple dozen times then having to spend another $100 to fix the defect…..then I would love to try out a NexGen board. Hopefully I will win one in the contest!!!
Peace!!
@ August 13th, 2010 at 05:22Luc, the NexGen looks incredible. Your blog, however, did not address the strength/fragility of NexGen vs Epoxy. Is NexGen as strong?
@ August 13th, 2010 at 08:45For the last 30 years Iv lived in Jaxs Bch Fl before that V-bch ,SF bay & Oaha Hawaii so from stubbs to Longs but Iv not had the op to go try NexGen I guess 51 is old school ,but this old dog-town loves new trick.SHAKA
@ August 13th, 2010 at 12:55Thanks for the info…..still sticking with fiberglass, but NEXTGEN may be the next thing I´ll buy…
@ August 14th, 2010 at 01:46I’ve been surfing most of my life and the best boards I have ridden have been epoxy boards- so if it’s really the next best thing then- Nexgen will be my choice!
@ August 14th, 2010 at 07:49Great review, id like to know how bamboo holds against traditional methods of shaping, i’ve ridden one for a season and enjoyed it thoroughly, the flex, the weight, the natural feel, one paddle stroke and the nose was in the air, and in my eyes the most eco friendly. Keep rippin!
@ August 15th, 2010 at 05:23~Donny
P.S. Just broke my Al Merrick in storm surf, could really use a miracle right now *cough cough*
Dirk- It’s a different strength. If you’re talking about breaking a board in half then yes they are very similar. But the NexGen will pressure dent and ding a little more than the standard epoxy but not nearly as much as a glass board. It’s a juxtaposition between flex/performance and strength.
@ August 15th, 2010 at 10:56I’ll try out one of the new boards for you if you want and let you know. You can send me a free board to keep and I’ll rip some waves. Email and I’ll give you my info.
@ August 15th, 2010 at 13:56NexGen Ultimate longboards are IN!!! Come and get ‘em!
@ August 17th, 2010 at 12:51Has anyone surfed a NexGen longboard yet?
@ August 20th, 2010 at 22:21I just got back to surfing after more than 30 years and I made a 9 6 board that was close to the detentions of my 64 hobie, 3 stringer and all. I succeeded in getting the fell of the board I remembered but having a hard time getting the old body to do its part. I would like to try the new generation of long boards it would be interesting to see the deference.
@ September 2nd, 2010 at 11:03The nexgen boards sound awesome! I carry a lot of gear in my veahicle that seems to ding up my boards quite often I have not switched to apoxy yet but now I doubt I will. Nexgen here I come.
@ September 4th, 2010 at 04:06it depends on where you ride and your style, I know that sounds crazy, but there is a difference
@ September 4th, 2010 at 12:03t spears
Hey Luc,
Sounds like you got a pretty good design. Ever since I heard about it I’ve been itching to get in the water with one. Maybe someday. Haha. I’m a little short on cash right now. I’ll stick with my fiber board til I decide to treat myself.
Peace dude,
@ September 5th, 2010 at 18:37Nathan
I purchased my board in 79 Harbor 6’2 and used it for 14 yrs, took a few yrs. Off due to Geographic’s but returned a couple yrs. Ago and just recently snapped it (broke it), I’m looking for a replacement in the 6’2, 6’4 range but durability and maneuverability is a must, I have read here that the NexGen is in the middle of the road for pressure dings but what about longevity how’s it stand up next to the older boards?
@ September 6th, 2010 at 07:30I love surfing as dose anyone who has ever stood up on a wave. I have to say I like the idea of a lighter board. One step closer to standing on the wave.
@ September 7th, 2010 at 07:55Robert,
As you can imagine since NexGen is brand new we don’t have a lot of longevity experience with them yet. I have been riding mine for 3yrs and its as responsive as it was day 1. When you are talking about longevity are you referring to surfing a board until it’s dead? Meaning it still may be water tight and surfable, but there’s no life in it. Or are you talking about durability, meaning until it breaks?
Durability wise it will out last an equivalent glassed PU board. Longevity is another issue. Right now the oldest one out there is 3yrs old, mine, and going strong. Typically the life of a board, depending on how many days a week you surf it, is about 5ish years before is will loose its energy. Based on mine, my gut says they’re going to last about double the time, but only time will tell.
@ September 7th, 2010 at 11:31